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#1 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x23 & 7x24 Discussion / 6:00am - 8:00am / Finale » 2009-05-27 23:46:11

Wow, thank you. I often seem to disagree with the majority opinion on this website, and sometimes receive what feels like harsh feedback from some contributors! But I like to contribute anyway, and see what you guys are seeing because it adds to my interest and enjoyment. However, after it was suggested I "stop whining" when my favourite character was infected with a prion disease (yes, I know you all love Tony more wink) I was a little scared to come back. I'm sure I would see the finale differently if Jack wasn't my favourite character, and I didn't so want to see Tony and Jack team up and rock (maybe with Renee and Chloe as sidekicks).

I think it is nice to see what other fans think, everyone has such great ideas and links. Also, although I love the show (and have also watched it from the very first hour, even through the somewhat questionable season 6) I do love a lot of the fun action stuff that goes on. For me that is the whole point of watching 24, to lose yourself in the story and revel in an outrageous plot that you choose to believe in, cheering on the guys when they utter a cool one liner and then punch some guy in the face. The reason it works so well for me is because it isn't just action, they also have great actors, sets, directors (usually), music and characters. I don't want anything to explode, or any nukes going off necessarily, but to me it is primarily an action show with great characters and stories, so maybe I just wanted a bit more action, a bit more of a chase, a bit less of my favourite character on his death bed!

Anyway, hope I haven't annoyed all you Tony fans too much and that I will be allowed to put my pro Jack stance forward on this site next season. Roll on January.

#2 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x23 & 7x24 Discussion / 6:00am - 8:00am / Finale » 2009-05-27 11:06:31

I was a bit disappointed by the finale really. Yes, the acting was fantastic and I could see what they were trying to do with all the emotional scenes, but for me it just didn't work. I was surprised to see you guys felt sympathy for Tony, I just thought, "blimey, he's gone very mental!" and fully expect to see him shackled up like hanibal lector next season staring menacingly at Jack. I really wanted him to be working for something bigger than personal revenge and feel there isn't anywhere else they can go with him now apart from the deranged ex agent.

So Renee might or might not torture someone, not very suspenseful seeing as she has handcuffed Janice and is making a choice her heart can live with, Jack may as well have told her to pull his fingernails out with pliers! On a positive note, she totally rocked clinging on to the car and shooting up the bad guys. Love her!

Yay, Olivia got her comeuppance, that was pretty cool, hats off there, I waited all season for that!

But what is going on with Jack Bauer? I think he will return next season angry and possibly suffering from some personality changes from the prion disease. Maybe there is hope for Jack and Tony to team up in some crazy revenge pact but I doubt it. It might be possible that dim Kim (who admittedly did quite well in the last few episodes but still managed to get herself kidnapped, will she never learn?) dies from giving Jack the treatment. Unfortunately I don't think we can get rid of her that easily.

I could see what the producers were trying to do with the visit from the Imam, it almost worked but, hang on. What have the producers been eating? 4 cheese pizza with mozzarella dippers on the side, with cheese sauce? It just seemed like a cheap and ineffective nod towards the muslim community, like oh yeah, that'll cheer up anyone they have upset.

Finally, I know the next season follows soon after this one, but I have to wait over six months. What's wrong with tying up a few things people? Have the guts to finish a season and trust we will watch the next one without a load of gimmicky cliff hangers. And next season, don't disable your main character with a prion disease ages before the end.

I am sad to say, that although the season started with a bang, it failed to live up to its earlier episodes. I have much lower hopes for the next season, although I will still be watching.

#3 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x16 Thoughts - my mini-review of the ep » 2009-04-08 21:58:03

OH MY GOODNESS! NOOOOO! I just cannot believe that Jack is going to die. I know I am up against opposition here with all you Tony fans, but I did not have a smile on my face when I read your sentence about S7 ep 24 Jack_Addict, perhaps you need to change your name? Your loyalty clearly lies elsewhere wink.

I am slightly worried though, that perhaps Jack is ready to die, though I really can't believe it. He seemed so accepting and I just don't see the antidote thing working out, it seems too cheesy somehow. They have to find a cure another way, but they have to find a cure, I am about to cry here!

I would just like to commend Renee's acting in this episode. Fantastic when Larry told her about Jack being exposed, just two simple tears, but pure devastation on her face. They need to have a little fun together before one of them dies surely, they deserve it and their chemistry is fantastic, much better than Jack and Audrey. However, I would have liked more of a scene between them when they both know he is infected, and why does Jack apologise for his scars? I'm sure Renee doesn't mind.

To be honest, I just don't see where the rest of the season is going, possibly because I am too worried about Jack's fate. Whatever, I just love being along for the ride, but seriously, if they kill off Jack, they may as well end the show for me. Despite the fact that this is the best season for ages, I will just not be able to watch. However, I will buy the DVD for all the Jack action so far;)

Long Live Jack (please!)

#4 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x13 discussion » 2009-03-21 00:07:23

Nooooo! Bill, oh no! I feel sooo stupid. It was obvious after the fact (ahhh, hindsight) that the whole scene when Jack was being held in the White House and asked Bill to do a teeny bit of torture and he refused that it was his "moment of weakness" before he died, but I liked Bill so much I didn't realise it. I just thought it was a "moment of character". I must say, and I know you Tony fans are going to hate me for it, that this was worse than when Tony died, because to me Tony (whilst awesome) didn't play a major role in that season and was killed as an (albeit tragic) exercise, whereas Bill was the main man, and they have bumped him off!

I like Jack Addict's view on the VP, I hadn't thought of that. Also, I really thought Jack was going to have a little cry looking at Bill's body, but he just couldn't. I think he has had a little cry in every season so far, so I guess we have to wait a little longer for this seasons weep. I think I know when it might be, but am not totally confident about spoiler rules and would hate to ruin anyone's surprise.

Finally, I have been a big supporter of the new president even since Redemption, I really liked her and thought she had conviction and courage, but come on lady, what does Jack have to do for you NOT to arrest him? You're really beginning to annoy me the last few episodes. Yes, a terrorist has the offer of immunity and Jack is under arrest, no that is not right, yes, you are the President, FIX IT! But oh no, you let him think up a plan to end the seige you are in, AND THEN ARREST HIM?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. What a fantastic season. I want more!

#5 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x11 / 7x12 Discussion - When you guys get there » 2009-03-19 22:52:50

Wow, I did really like these two episodes as well and everything you guys have to say is really interesting. Jack interogating the assistant of the guy who is trying to make an example of him in the White House, awesome. Terrorists in the White House, awesome. Also, it is not enough that they have lots of shots of the (fantastic) Agent Walker running, now they have her wet and running, I bet the guys love that, but I forgive her because she does truly kick ass!
I too was really worried about Bill and Aaron in these episodes, hiding behind my hands moaning "oh no, I can't look, I can't look!" Still slightly worried for them, particularly Bill, but hey, that's the price you pay for watching 24.
The only thing that is nggling at me is: Why did Tony say the information was definitely good, and then pause and grimace when Bill asked if the source was dead? Someone on this site suggested maybe Tony had tortured him to death to get the info, but I was wondering if Tony WAS the source, and if his undoubtedly complex motives and secret activities somehow mean although he is trying to work with Jack, he has also got a direct line to Juma? After all, the only member of Emerson's crew who I can think of who is still alive after the kidnap of Motobo is, err...Tony! Maybe I am reading too much into it? Maybe it was just about torture? Bring on the next episode!

P.S. I wonder how many people Jack has given the Knock-out hug to? I can think of Tony, Renee, Bill and Curtis, but there must be many more. Feel the love people!

#6 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x08 Discussion - 3:00pm - 4:00pm » 2009-02-19 23:45:33

OK, I totally understand where you Tony fans are coming from, I miss him too, but come on, Tony has gone dark. Surely that is classic 24? I agree that the hand signal was hilarious, and has now been expanded in my household into other really obvious hand signals which include "You, pour me a drink".

However, I really enjoyed this episode, Renee was fabulous in the house with the wife and child, Jack and Co were running around the White House uttering immortal lines such as "with all due respect Madame President, ask around", Jack had some fisticuffs with a bad guy. I also absolutely loved Larry Moss when he heard Jack had killed someone because he didn't have a choice. It was so reminiscent of Mason, and I am really warming to him. Also, the ending was fantastic, it really shocked me.

I am a bit worried about Tony though, I am worried that his loyalty is still in question. He hasn't been working with Bill and Chloe for very long, and I think he may possibly return in a compromising situation. I think the writers could be prepping for some sort of story line where he worked with them because their immediate aims were the same, but in the long run he always meant to use them and lose them, he has gone very quiet and the writers couldn't wait to reveal that he wasn't really bad at the beginning of the season, possibly to lull us into a false sense of security?

Finally, I just really want to say that I am loving this season, there was only one episode that left me feeling a bit disappointed and that is because there wasn't enough Jack in it (being a Jack fan!)
I have constantly been made anxious, left guessing and absolutely shocked along with a fair amount of wry humour (lets hear it for all Jacks one-liners, they're very prevalent this season!)
That is why I watch 24, and this is in my opinion a definite return to form. They needed to pull it out of the bag after season 6 and I think they have. Great stuff!

By the way, can someone let me know when we can post o the next episode on this site? I'd hate to accidentally spoil stuff for people smile

#7 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x05 Discussion / 12:00pm - 1:00pm » 2009-01-21 21:24:25

OK, I'll bite the bullet. I think perhaps people are being a little harsh. I mean, we moaned incessantly about season 6 (although episode by episode I still thought it was pretty entertaining, it just didn't work as a season and wasn't as great as we know 24 can be, it was still better than a lot of stuff on the goggle box) and then raved about the first amazing 4 episodes of season 7. Then they throw in a nice episode which furthers the narrative of the (hopefully season long) plot and some people feel deflated. Isn't a nice cohesive season plot what you wanted? If so you need episodes like this. It can't all be like the first four episodes, you need to made to wait and feel the anticipation to make the great moments great.

As for the plot being a bit predictable (e.g. Jack being tasked with killing Renee Walker and Secret Service agent Brian being a traitor) how far do you want to go. They have made it clear that there is a mole in the FBI, but the fact that we are still guessing who it might be (I'm putting my money on Sean's blonde lady friend for starters because there will be more!) makes it engaging. After season 1 it can no longer be a surprise that there is a mole. Surprise us too much and you lose the essence of the programme (and revert back to season 6) the beauty of it is trying to navigate the red herrings and guess the truth. After all, Renee's assasination brought to mind Nina's flak jacket shooting but was concluded refreshingly, and Tony having to kill Jack brought back the Salazars empty gun and Jack shooting (slow) Chase but was again resolved in a satisfying 24 way.

Finally, I wonder how far they can take the president if they kill off her husband, and am still secretly hoping he escapes death at the hands of the baby-faced agent. Also I was always suspicious of Sam (the presidents son's girlfriend) but am happy to be taken in by a red herring and be proved wrong wink.

Also, I am highly suspicious of the presidents number two (not sure of his name, but he is the guy who gave the presidents husband the file on his son's "insider trading"). Really must pay more attention to names smile

Come on guys, sit back and enjoy the ride! 24 is back (and so is Tony for all you Tony-lovers, which even as a Jack fan, I have to admit is awesome).

#8 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x03 / 7xE04 - 10AM-12PM » 2009-01-18 21:02:05

Oh, interesting idea for the Jack and Tony relationship, I like that! The FBI lady I was talking about was the one with dark hair and glasses who seems to have the same job as Chloe but for the FBI. I think her name is Janis.

#9 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 7x03 / 7xE04 - 10AM-12PM » 2009-01-16 23:40:38

Oh my God have just watched the first four episodes of 24 (I know I am not a true fan for waiting so long but was very busy!). Am on a total high and probably talking gibberish like an earlier contiributor but wow! I love all the cool one liners Jack has been given e.g. this is gonna hurt, also totally loving the storyline, it seems very well thought out and not one that will end before the season ends, a bit like season one. Also, the scenes between Jack and Tony are some of the best on TV. Although some themes are being revisited they are doing it in a different way. It was great that Jack took the initiative and stopped Tony from having to kill him ( I was thinking maybe the gun was empty like when Jack shot Chase in front of the Salazars). After all, what is the point of watching 24 if you can't cheer or shout "drink" when a classic line is issued? Some of my favourites so far are "you're running out of time", "you don't have a choice", "do it" and by far the best "you're making a mistake"

Personally being a Jack fan, I would have liked a bit more action from Jack, but I guess you Tony addicts have to make up on lost time from Season 6! I am sooooooooooo glad Tony is not really bad, although all the clues where there like Jack saying his actions didn't make sense, we all know Jack is always right after all! Also, unlike other people I quite like this president, I think we are going back to the days of Palmer (the first!) a good president we could believe in, rather than an evil president which I totally enjoyed at the time but can't be repeated or an insipid president (Wayne Palmer, what were the writers thinking?) I am hoping she will be a character I can get behind and support like David Palmer.

I totally agree with another contributor who said the suspected mole turning out just to be worried about his wife was very suspicious, what better way to test the water, I'm definately going to watch him!

Finally, I am surprised no one has commented on the chemistry between Jack and Renee. I thought that in the first two episodes there was quite a bit of chemistry when they were on screen together although obviously now Jack has created a bit of a barrier (what's new there?) I hope it will be built on in later episodes because I was never a fan of Audrey's and I want poor old Jack to find a bit of happiness!

I feel a little apprehensive about the future because I know that Kim appears, but all in all what a fantastic start to the season, Tony and Jack at their best. Finally, Jack has thrown his nasty mac in a bin, yippee and Chloe and Bill are back doing what they do best (that FBI lady has no idea what she is up against)

To quote Kim at her best, "Bring it on!"

P.S. I know I am being pedantic, but if you are a writer and you put scars on a character, think about it and remember you are going to have to do that every day for that character, and you cannot just "forget" about them in the next season, grrrr!

#10 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » Happy Almeida Resurrection Day! » 2009-01-11 18:54:54

I don't know, in the preview Jack is doing the whole throw the table during an interogation and hold suspect up against the wall because you really mean business (like Tony hasn't seen Jack do that 100 times, Nina, Audrey etc) and he says "...I will kill you and you will stay dead this time!" which is a pretty cool line but surely he won't, it's Tony! I still think he will turn out to be good or undercover or something. On a serious note, I hope that awful mac Jack is wearing gets blown to bits pretty quickly, eeuw, it's nasty. Finally, shall we place bets on how many times Kim gets herself kidnapped and or wanders into a place that's just about to be robbed or blown up. I'm going to guess 3 for the whole season. Aaaargh, the suspense is killing me, roll on tomorrow big_smile

#11 No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » New (maybe?) season 7 trailer » 2008-12-27 02:16:21

Rexy
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Hi everyone, I don't know how to post a link, but if you go to youtube there is a new (to me) season seven trailer called 24 season 7 it's time (that should make it come up in the search bar anyway). It is different to some of the others I have seen, but I don't have Sky, so this could be old news to you guys. But it does look very exciting (great Jack one liner, yay!).

By the way, has anyone else seen some of the comedy 24 spoofs on youtube, some are awful but I think a couple are really funny!

Hope this is news to at least some of you:D

#12 Re: Announcements » Merry Christmas Everyone! » 2008-12-27 01:46:12

Wow, how far north have you gone? last time I was there I heard the t'internet had breached the north south divide! Hope everyone is having a good holiday, sorry to hear about the problems on the site, I am looking forward to being much more active when the new season starts, so hope everything is OK by then. When are we going to have a 24 christmas special? The possibilities are endless!:)

#13 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » Season 7 Sneak Peak! - The first 17 minutes! » 2008-12-03 23:23:50

Yay, I am so glad someone else who was feeling a bit unoptimistic about season 7 likes the preview as much as I do. I totally agree, I was very wary about season 7, and I think the producers really have to do a great season but this looks promising, although I'm sure as the season goes on there will be some "groan" moments, you can't please all of the people all of the time after all!

I like the way it seems almost like Jack has a new attitude, I mean they let him go off and get tortured in China for months on end and he didn't moan, and now they're whingeing about his conduct saving millions of American lives. Too right he should stand up and defend himself. Ooh, I can't wait. big_smile

#14 Re: The Archives of 24 » Favourite Quotes From Seasons 1-4 » 2008-12-03 09:18:08

ahhhkiefer wrote:

I'm now working my way through season 4, and I have to love this quote:

"This will help you with the pain."  >PUNCH TO FACE<  (Jack to Joe Prado after interrogation)

Say what you want about the torture aspect, given that Jack doesn't exactly have a pocket full of vicodin, it actually could be construed as a relatively merciful action!  And of course, we next see Prado in medical getting his fingers set...

Yeah, I absolutely love this one, I also like the one which I think is right at the end of season 4 episode 9 when Navi has Behrooz, and Dina spouts off about how she won't help Jack unless she gets her son back, and Jack's on the phone and he just says "did you get that?"

I also like it in Season 3 when Chase is attempting to be all big and macho and tries to rescue Jack, fails then gets taken hostage (taking tips from his girlfriend maybe?) and starts talking to him and Jack goes "shut up Chase, just shut up". But maybe that's just because Chase wasn't one of my favourite characters. wink

Oh, there's so many!

#15 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 24 : Redemption - so who has seen it? » 2008-12-02 18:50:53

Jack addict, I hope I haven't given anything away in my post, apart from what I thought, sorry about that.

I have to say I have been faithfully watching 24 since season one, episode 1 aired in the UK in Winter 2001, and I just love the whole experience of watching the show, and getting totally sucked into a story in a way I don't think any other TV show does. I think it is because the writing was so good, and the story just worked really well. I definitely think that season 1 was the best, because it was so new and ground breaking, but also because when you watch it again, the entire season is so tightly written, there are so many tiny little details in episodes that don't make sense until much later, but on the second watching you can see them, it was obviously very well thought out before hand. I don't think the same could be said for season 6, although on an individual episode basis I thought it was alright, it just didn't have that one great story arc running all the way through. I thought it seemed as though they kind of made it up as they went along, which is why I have such high hopes for season 7, they've had long enough to think about it after all.

So, what reasons are the old and the new bunch into it for then? I feel like a right newbie wink

#16 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » Season 7 Sneak Peak! - The first 17 minutes! » 2008-12-02 18:38:50

Oh, OK, yeah, the FBI people were a bit stiff, but I thought the woman who took Jack seemed pretty good. I'm hoping that Tony will not really be bad, and Jack will soon find this out and work with Tony, cheesy as it sounds wink.

Tony can't be bad, I bet those cheeky writers are just pulling our leg as usual.

#17 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » Season 7 Sneak Peak! - The first 17 minutes! » 2008-12-02 14:45:12

Oh wow, I loved the trailer, it was the best thing on the DVD if you ask me, and looked really promising. I loved Jack's attitude in court too! Roll on January! What were the two things that annoyed you?
big_smile

#18 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 24 : Redemption - so who has seen it? » 2008-12-02 14:37:36

Oh, you guys seem to think differently from me, which is interesting. After months of eager anticipation, I bought the UK DVD as soon as it came out and watched 24 Redemption. I thought it was OK, and I can see that the producers were trying to set up season 7, but after waiting a year and a half for some new 24 all I can think is that the producers got over excited about having a big budget, and spent more time worrying about helicopter shots and huge inauguration scenes than about the actual story.

Also, why oh why did they stick to the real time format? That really threw me, they had an opportunity to move away from that and they didn't take it. I really thought it lacked the tension and suspense of the show at its best, and I don't remember hearing a single classic Jack line, although there was a good one liner in there somewhere! Also I thought almost all the actors were fantastic as we have come to expect on this show, but I was, dare I say it, a little bit disappointed with Kiefer Sutherland's performance, which is saying something as I'm such a big fan and always watch his movies at the cinema, even if they get rubbish reviews because he's in it and I know he'll be great. Maybe he didn't feel the need to be so intense because it was only a couple of hours, and lets face it, he's had worse days. Basically, if I had gone to the cinema to see this, I would wait for the next one to come out on DVD.

However, saying all that, I also managed to watch the first 15 minutes of season 7, and it looked very promising. It was almost the best thing on the whole DVD! Therefore, I guess this DVD (which didn't even have an inlay card, cheapskates) will allow my 24 DVD collection to stay complete, but will rarely be watched again. I still believe season 7 could be the comeback they are promising, and will wait with baited breath, but as everyone knows, this is their last chance so they had better get it right, or I am going to have to move Prison Break to the top of my favourite tv shows list.

OK, I've just watched it again and I feel a bit bad for saying Kiefer Sutherland's performance wasn't as good as I'd hoped, it was pretty fantastic as always, I just think maybe he didn't have the right lines or something, I don't know. But, on a lighter note, what has happened to Jack Bauer's nasty hand scars from the Chinese? I want the number of his plastic surgeon, they appear to have totally disappeared wink

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