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#1 The Archives of 24 » The general fanbase infuriate me. Why the hate for Season 4 and 6? » 2010-10-21 12:36:31

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You have to remember that when the general fanbase criticise a season, they are doing so in comparison to the other seasons.

For me Season 4 was the weakest because of reusing plot points from past seasons, for spelling out too much of the plot to the audience, for using the return of past characters as cliffhangers and for not containing as many genuinely shocking plot twists or surprises.

For me Season 1 was the best, 2 & 5 close behind

#2 Current 24 Debriefs » Noo... tell me that it is not the final season » 2010-08-06 18:23:46

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Yep, Season 8 was the final season. However they are currently working on a film. Check out the main site for all the latest news.

#3 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episodes 8x15, 8x16 Discussion » 2010-04-26 20:37:08

I've seen episode 15 and 16 quite recently. (You can read my review of 15 here : http://24fans.com/2010/04/the-perfect-scenario-episode-15-review/)

Overall it's all very interesting, and intriguing, but i'm really not gripped. The end of 16 really should have carried a lot of emotional weight, but it simply didn't.

I really hope the show improves from here, because it's going out with a bit of a whimper at the moment.

#4 Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x10 Discussion » 2010-03-10 21:31:35

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Just seen 8x10, and my one word review is "shrug". Really not caring about anything thats going on, a little bored. No excitement, no tension, nothing really at stake.


Another two episodes like this and I may stop watching, for the first time ever.

#5 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x09 Discussion » 2010-03-07 10:41:49

I agree with you Steve that the mixture of plots and threads and how much attention they get it completely un-24. The magic of 24 was seeing simultaneous threads running, which were all important to create a whole picture, and watching those threads converge at certain completely organic points. If the writers had managed to trim some of the fat (President Taylors updates with Haistings) and rearrange the threads into a more believable real time structure this could have been 9 fantastic episodes.

I accept that threading the eye of the needle like they did for most of day one, and some of day five is difficult, but if they are at a stage where certain minimum requirements pass them by when writing (what point does President Taylor serve at the moment?, none that I can see, which is a big problem for a character regularly listed in the "Previously") then perhaps it is time they gave up the ghost.

#6 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x09 Discussion » 2010-03-04 22:14:55

I thought episode 8 was really strong, and this was obviously a step down.

I'm obviously a bit annoyed that David Anders solid run came to such an abrupt end, literally minutes (story-wise) after we'd seen him play his hand.

I'm not sure it's so much that they didn't like where it was headed, just more that they'd laid the first 8 episodes out, then they started thinking about the next 8 and they don't see where Josef could take them. They could up with a great cliffhanger for him, and it's "where does he go from here?", "hmm, not sure, lets just put the rods in the hands of 'proper terrorists', there easier to write"

Looking back at this episodes, man I should have hated it, the rods change hands twice effectively. They've tried to do "politics", which they never do very well. There's no President Hassan. But some how it was still entertaining, mainly due to cranky 'really don't give a sh*t' Jack who made me laugh on several occasions.

On the plus side, a nice convincing way to get Jack all in, although really did it have to be in the carpark again? we've had him almost get in a car like 3 times. But overall they dealt with that well, at just the right time, and i've gained a bit of respect for Hastings as he managed to ensure we don't have the same scene again in two episodes time.

Jack and Renee is always at the very least watchable. Starbuck and friends played out with some interest, although really Freddie, what was going on with his tone/accent in this episode, it's completely changed from the previous episode, I suppose he was trying to be "serious" but it just sounded like he was playing a different character. And also the chemistry between him and her just isn't there, they looked like they'd just had there first date as they chatted in the the car. But still, entertaining all the same.

Hopefully this is one of the dreaded "link" episodes, and not simply the standard going forward.

#7 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x07 discussion » 2010-02-15 21:51:54

Gaines is the original, the best. Simple as. All debates on the topic of best villian are redundant, he helped drive the early hours of 24 almost as much as Jack did.

The Russian family is going somewhere, just not sure where yet. If they can pausibly manage anything other than the son turning i'll be impressed.

#8 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x07 discussion » 2010-02-15 20:55:50

I had to use such a metaphor, but this really was like watching a man learning to walk again. So far they'd managed to stand up only to fall on there arse. In recent weeks we've seen him stand up for longer periods whilst holding onto the railings. This week he actually got some stuttering steps forward before suddenly bursting into life and pulling a knife out of his stomach and throwing it at the doctor.

That scene where it's suddenly, "oh this aint going anywhere, lets kill everyone!" is classic 24, worthy of any of the great episodes.

In a slightly more level head review, again this continued the pattern of most scenes I enjoyed, but they still not seem to hang together comfortably. It doesn't transition as effortlessly between scenes as I remember the early hours of day one doing. And it still lacks a certain amount of energy, it's not as quick off the mark as it used to be, although some of it my be an intentional plot to be more "thoughtful".

President Hassan's descent into madness is a nice angle, and the havoc it may wreak on the peace treaty. Although we as an audience aren't likely to care as much as we might seeing as we've only known the character for 7 hours, but Anil Kapoor really is giving it his best shot. President Taylor is just annoying really, the less we see of her the better.

Another thing which would be working better if we'd known them for longer is the whole "Russian Family" thing, it's not terrible, but really you need to build them. We'd known the Drazens to some extent for 15 hours before they started to do the mob family stuff.

Overall very encouraging signs, not many complaints, although sad to see Vladimir go, couldn't Renee have killed Taylor instead?

#9 Current 24 Debriefs » Alternative Day Eight » 2010-02-13 23:32:09

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In my opening review of the first four episodes I wrote the following...

Go with me for a minute, as I present my alternate reality premiere. It’s just gone midnight. There is no “New CTU”,  just the local FBI, who are about to sign off on Jack moving back west in the morning. Quarter past midnight and Jack gets a thundering knock at the door which wakes him up. A FBI agent who Jack is passingly acquainted with needs a favour. Jack doesn’t want to hear it, but he has news of Renee who hasn’t returned Jack’s calls. Renee has been undercover with the Russian Mob for the past month, but she’d gone dark a few days after going under. A few hours ago Renee called a FBI number and left a message for “Frank Flynn”, the bogus name Jack lived under for a year. The FBI don’t know what is gone wrong, but Renee’s call has set up a cover for Jack and a meeting time and place. The FBI need Jack to go in. Meanwhile in a suite of hotel rooms a heated debate is going on between President Hassan and his staff, as they put together the speech he will give in front of the UN General Assembly in 12 hours. Hassan wants it to be the first step towards talks with President Taylor, but it must be a speech all of the fragile coalition which elected him can agree on. In the local FBI field office, Agent Ortiz is the ranking officer in charge of the midnight to 6 shift as the monitor intelligence and chatter for any sign of a threat to Hassan’s speech.

and then again in watching episode 5 I hit upon a few things which I would have changed to make the episode more dramatically effective. Most notably the Jack revealing Renee had tried to commit suicide in a conversation with Chloe. They should instead of just let Renee's line "you wouldn't be doing anything i haven't tried myself".

Anyway, the purpose of this thread is for people to post the things they would change about Season Eight. In the end we might end up with a solid outline for a Alternative Day Eight fanfic.

Please only post references only up to what has aired in the UK (one week behind US schedule)

#10 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x06 discussion » 2010-02-12 19:51:08

Guys is this really a reaction to episode 5 and 6? or a delayed reaction to 1- 4. I ask because while I agree with you generally I thought 5 and 6 a lot stronger than 1 through 4.

I really must start that alternate s8 thread, because I am kind of thinking of 1 & 2 as the s8 "prequel" and 3 - 6 as the opening four.

Anyway, I really need to watch some of these episodes again to rejudge. Unfortunately because i'm watching on sky player that makes rewatching tough, and until i'm more invested I don't think it's worth buying off itunes.

#11 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x06 discussion » 2010-02-10 17:09:00

To be honest steve I was a little surprised at the level of feeling you showed earlier. To be clear, I don't think anything in episodes 5 or 6 was bad, my frustration comes from the feeling that clearly with a bit of work, episodes 5 and 6 (and to a lesser extent 3 and 4) could have been great, up there with the best.

I'm gonna start a thread for suggestions as to just what we would have done different.

#12 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Episode 8x06 discussion » 2010-02-09 07:34:55

Again, I didn't watch these episodes in ideal circumstances thanks to stupid sky player. But that possibly masked just how disjointed these episodes where.

Basically I find myself very much liking individual element, individual characters and individual moments, and the amount I liked in these episodes was much more than in previous episodes, it's just the way it's all been strung together. The moving parts look so disparate that they feel like different episodes, different shows even.

The main plot is strong, and I have no problem with how slow it's developing, it feels like a proper slow burn story, and not simply stalling. But the stuff around the edges is very distracting. Not necessarily bad, but moves you into a different "world".

More thoughts later, but these episodes do very much feel like it's a-plot by this writer, b-plot by another and c-plot by another, and the script needs a going over by a decent script editor. Everything feels like a good first draft. Steve, would you agree?

#13 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » discussion of episodes 08x03-08x05 » 2010-02-03 20:20:30

Episode Four was by far the best episode we've seen. We finally have a plot. The Jack/Renee dynamic is sizzling. Kapoor is acting everyone else off the screen.

All we need now is a competent CTU director, Buffy Hubby needs to kill off his fiancees b-plot. And Kapoor needs someone on the same level to play off, as his brother was the only one with anything about him.

Three was a nice ramp up.

#14 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » 8x01 Discussion - 4:00pm - 6:00pm » 2010-01-29 23:28:58

Just finished watching episode 2 now. Don't want to go into too much detail right now since it's late, but even giving allowances for the manner in which I saw the two episodes (over two nights with each episode interrupted midway for stupid Sky Player to buffer the second half), it really hasn't grabbed me. There is definitely a spark of life there, but that just makes the bad bits harder to take.

The Good
- Jack in the first episode
- Acevada (informant) I thought showed some promise, and should have lasted longer.
- Buffy Husband has done remarkably well with the very little he's been given.
- Starbuck in parts.
- The futuristic CTU is an interesting idea, but they need to establish some rules fast about exactly how advanced they've gotten, or it will get old fast, if almost everything is solved quickly.
- President Hassan
- New York, what we've seen of it.

The Bad, everything else, but specifically...
- The central plot, wow, really not strong.
- Just generally I'm getting pulled out of the plot every 2 minutes because I see something and i'm thinking, "how dumb is that?", examples, so Both Presidents had a press conference in the middle of negotiations to announce they were negotiating, which the media already knew, and what they where discussing, which the media already knew, and that they where making progress, which the media already knew. The negotiations have no reality to them, they have no detail to them, hence I have no investment in them, so really nothing at stake then.
- While a futuristic CTU is a nice idea, it still has to look like a place of work. Not a nightclub. In reality I should barely notice what it looks like, I should be more concerned with what the characters are saying. So making a huge deal about how space-age and different the interrogation room looks is a MEGA FAIL.
- I could go on for a while, but lastly, how does a guy get to being CTU Director without having an ounce of investigative logic in him?, So this reporter has security files on her computer she shouldn't have. She denies downloading them. He might trying asking her, "Okay, what where you doing at the time the files where being downloaded?" Buffy Husband needs to send him packing and take over.

Generally not impressed so far, certainly not by episode 2, episode 1 had more of the good bits. If 3 & 4 don't pick up, everyone really is running out of time.

#15 Re: Fun, Games and Art » Season 7 quiz! » 2009-09-06 09:22:59

Counted for myself, I got 9 right! which is pathetic, if nobody else beat that i'll be very dissappointed.

#16 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Defining 24 » 2009-09-02 08:00:25

Well I guess I killed this thread stone dead


#17 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Defining 24 » 2009-08-23 10:13:08

I'd pick a series of small scenes which occur one after another from the pilot. It starts with the end of the scene where Jack and Teri discover Kim has sneaked out with the line "It's only a briefing, I should be back in an hour", continues with Jack's conversation with Kim's Ex on the phone as he walks to his car, then the line from the song playing "24 hours on an empty brain" comes in quite loud as Jack drives off, cut to a clock showing ten past midnight as the time and pan down to Kim and her friend in their car.

It's a series which perfectly defined what 24 was in the early years, about a domestic very normal (even slightly tedious) situation which slowly spins out of control, with all the characters unaware of what is really coming.

Ofcourse if i was being really picky about these things, I would simply say it's the first time Kiefer intones "events occur in real time".

#18 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » Season 8 location and information » 2009-08-11 17:40:32

J_A wrote:

interesting relationship btw the 'keep a lid' and 'not renewed' comments. i did not know that.

At least that is my observation of American network shows. Obviously networks are always counting the pennies, but when it's a big enough concern that it gets an article like that, yeah it's hit the red zone and cost has suddenly become a bigger factor (almost the biggest) in whether the show will get renewed.

#19 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » Season 8 location and information » 2009-08-11 12:08:47

I'm thinking that probably we'll just have a lot of regular shooting with some landmarks digitally inserted into the backgrounds, plus I'd imagine they'd atleast stump up for a day or two of filming establishing shots in New York which can be spread through out the season. Which is all fine, they may also end up doing some "bottle" episodes, ones where it's almost entirely filmed on existing sets.

There are numerous creative ways of spreading a budget around.

Also worth noting the "keep a lid on the budget" note usually comes about a year before the "you've not been renewed" note.

Also seems like they're in a fix with how much they've agreed to pay Kiefer, i'd predict a large chunk of the increase in costs between season 1 and season 8 is due to how much they are now paying Kiefer (and other cast members)

So I'd predict a "we'll renew if Kiefer isn't in it next time" comment from the network.

#20 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » Still no final call on show's lifetime. » 2009-08-07 20:53:01

When it is the last season, I want them to go into the season knowing it's the last season.

It's so very hard to know when enough is enough, by wiping the storylines so completely clean each season the show doesn't have a sense of "drawing to a close" like some shows do as they enter there final years, knowing that the clock is slowly ticking and they start to move pieces slowly around for the last arc(s).

I fear 24's end could be very "sudden"

#21 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » Will Tony or other characters return in S8? » 2009-08-03 20:28:32

Hopefully we'll see Tony again, although obviously if he's in prison there's only so much action he's good for.

Logan would be interesting, but hopefully we can avoid a repeat of his season 6 cameo which while good and well acted felt so shoe-horned into the plot. Plus the most obvious place for Logan to be is in house arrest, meaning Jack could end up spending several hours bouncing between prisons asking old "friends" questions.

It might be interesting to have Audrey back, or atleast to know what happened to her.

If there is a nice role which Mandy fits into, then it would be cool to have her back.

#22 Re: No Rules - Enter at your own risk! » possibly more than 8 seasons » 2009-06-25 19:55:00

Honestly, it's what I thought would happen after the first season, but it'll be more difficult to do now. If they'd done it then, the real time format would have been the thing which stayed, everything else would have been up for debate and they could have thought "what would this situation and location be like in real time?", and so stead of international terrorism it could have been an undercover police investigation in Baltimore or other similar high intensity situations.

Now we have a hardset formula which as much as they try, they can't quite shake off. So if altered form means changes for changes sake then it would be a terrible idea, really if they are hoping for a longer term future for the "franchise" it needs evolution not revolution.

#23 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » CTU: Provo - The Ultimate FanFilm » 2009-06-16 20:17:47

Hmm, I will when I have it all downloaded, unfortunately it's kind of died on me with no one left willing to seed it for me. I was hoping to get a few more people online to boost the overall speed for everyone.

I'm gonna get on to Alan to see if he can pop back on and seed.

#24 Re: Current 24 Debriefs » CTU: Provo - The Ultimate FanFilm » 2009-06-16 06:53:25

Just to revive this thread briefly to say that CTU: Provo the DVD set including....

Complete with lame commentaries, a boring behind-the-scenes, and other miscellaneous crap! wink - (Alan Seawright, AKA Dyslexicon)

...is available to download via bittorrent. Grab the torrent file at : www.24fans.com/CTU_PROVO.torrent and start downloading.

#25 Re: Fun, Games and Art » Season 7 quiz! » 2009-06-09 20:17:36

Q1: Once
Q2: Renee & Bill
Q3: Damn it'll come to me.
Q4: The FBI with recommissioned CTU servers.
Q5: $250000
Q6: 23 & 24
Q7: Spent shell casing of different calibre to that which the medic pulled out of Tony.
Q8: GM?
Q9: To calm down?
Q10: Renee
Q11: The U.S. military cannot be used for civil policing in the United States.
Q12: 160
Q13: Not a clue
Q14: Hydrochrodic acid
Q15: ?
Q16: Python 5's
Q17: Summer(?)
Q18: 23:15(?)
Q19: Red
Q20: GW
Q21: 10 square miles
Q22: A German agent on a pre-emptive uncover mission cut short by Jack who offers him the "CIA Wetlist" in return for cooperation.
Q23: That Jack wasn't fit for the field.
Q24: Twenty

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